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uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

Bill Gates saying he’d have to think hard about which candidate he felt was “more professional” in a hypothetical election between Trump and Warren… 🤔🤔🤔🤔

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@alis
Woowwwww. What a cunt. I always thought he was a decent human being.

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@lindentreeisle @alis Warren Buffett needs to go beat his ass

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@lj_writes @lindentreeisle I mean, it's not like any of them are better than the others. Some just have better PR. 🤷

Ironically I just started Anand Giridharadas's WINNERS TAKE ALL the other day, which is exactly about all this stuff (and unsurprisingly he has Some Thoughts On Gates).

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@alis @lj_writes I guess. I mean, I never considered Bill Gates a folk hero or a man of the people or anything, but he gives money to charity and he's not always on the internet talking shit about people so, you know, that put him a cut above the likes of Elon Musk.

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@lindentreeisle So Giridharadas's main thesis, which I agree with (And have *definitely* seen in action first-hand), is that the extremely rich have intentionally devised a system where they can both be perceived as "generous" by running (tax deductible!) charities they control... while simultaneously aggressively stifling any kind of systemic reform that would've prevented the inequality they're "solving" from arising in the first place. @lj_writes

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@alis @lj_writes Yeah, I'm well aware. That's the same reason corporations get involved with charity- part tax dodge, part banking positive press for their brand. Like I said, it's not like I had the impression Bill Gates was the ideal man or anything, just hadn't heard about him saying or doing anything repellent.

I mean, there's Microsoft products, but I don't have the energy to parse out who is responsible for the last ten years of design and strategy.

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@lindentreeisle The point is, though, that it doesn't have to be about an individual being personally "repellent" or not. I'm sure Gates and the Clintons (the kind of ur-mascots for this way of operating) are sincere and earnest in their own ways... but it doesn't change the fact they're not only part of the problem, but arguably exacerbating it by putting a "socially acceptable" face on it. The fact the system exists at all is what's repellent.

@lj_writes

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@alis @lj_writes I understand. 😉 We were kind of speaking at cross purposes, in that I was taking your original post more as a comment specifically on Gates, and you meant it as a comment on the billionaire class (and the system they've built) more broadly.

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@lindentreeisle Ah, sorry lol.

(This is an issue I get kind of overly earnest about because, honestly, I'm so close to it; my husband has a Harvard MBA so knows that "set", we're not-quite-but-sometimes-depending-on-the-year one-percenters, and we know A LOT of people who're involved in perpetuating these systems. And they're very sincere about it and it's not like they do *no* good at all! But it's still... frustrating, to say the least. D:)

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@alis Yeah. I think human beings in general have a lot of trouble with complexity, the idea that most people aren't all good or all bad.

You see this dealing w both class and race: people can't cope with the idea that you can be super hardworking AND benefiting from systemic bias and privilege, or that you can be super tolerant AND have racist beliefs that you need to address.

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@alis Toots too short. My point being, not to rail against callouts, but to explain I think this is behind a lot of the freakouts you see from the white and economically privileged when this stuff comes up. Like, instead of saying "yes, I see why that was offensive, I need to reexamine these prejudices I was unaware I was perpetuating" they'll go "how dare you call me a racist, I know so many black people." Dude, calm the fuck down.

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@lindentreeisle I mean to be fair, it IS the easily foreseeable end-result of forty years of there's-no-such-thing-as-society-style neoliberalism teaching people there *are* no systemic issues, only individualistic ones.

IMO you'll never be able to unpack the knee-jerk fragility issue ("hdu call me a racist/sexist/etc.!") without unpacking that... which is something callout culture is UNIQUELY unsuited to doing, lol. D:

uspol, tech daddies will not save you 

@alis True. Unfortunately given the past 40 years, it seems like the alternative to callout culture is just...nobody saying anything and nothing happening.

I am given to understand also that the US worship of individualism has been a large part of the construction and dissemination of toxic neoliberalism. 😣

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