I'm not gonna publicly list what this website is because I am not about to give them free advertising.
If we're friends (not just mutuals), I will tell you through DM.
The populace of this website is (relatively) philosophically diverse, ranging from plain racists to ethnonationalists to neo-Nazism. The universal tie is a twisted framing: They're just exclusionary, not discriminatory. Pro-white, not anti-everyone else.
This framing is important. Being pro-white means that you are preserving your heritage, not hating on everyone else. This positive spin hides the hate, uses the language of the racially oppressed, and fools people into thinking that this movement is innocuous.
Part of being pro-white is being proud of your European heritage. Many people give percentages, e.g 50% German, 25% French, 25% Welsh. There is an obsession with Europe, the West, and its cultural contributions.
All this praise for Europe and the West and no mention of superiority. But that doesn't mean that they don't think they're superior. That's just not explicitly said.
Instead, people talk about their anxiety about the death of the white race.
So far, this all sounds misguided but normal, right? White people want to celebrate/preserve their culture and are anxious about how to integrate into multiculturalism. Insert any other race/culture in there and you get an oppressed demographic trying to survive.
THAT IS A TRICK
This is oppressors stealing the language of the oppressed to create a false equivocation between two populations: one with institutional power and one without (or at least less).
The pro-white narrative is one of a dying race/culture trying to survive.
But what is this culture?
This is where it turns explicitly Nazi.
In their profiles, people explicitly say that they support the 14 words, 1488, Wotanism, German nationalism, national socialism.
These are all dogwhistles for neo-Nazism.
You will also find those terms right next to others like alt-right, redpilled, ethnonationalism, based, conservative, monarchism, fascism.
Not everyone explicitly says they are neo-Nazi but what's clear is that this is a specific culture around whiteness, authority, tradition.
In additional to white racial anxiety, a common theme throughout this site is the adherence to strict gender roles where men are the breadwinners and the women keep the home and bear LOTS of children.
You have to have lots of kids for the survival of the white race y'know.
We're all properly shocked/horrified at this point, right? It's terrifying to know that a fascist neo-Nazi movement is hiding out right under our noses and they're trying to date and create a white ethnostate through having lots of kids.
But here's thing:
The majority of these people aren't freaks. They look very normal, use very normal language describing their interests, and are positive and hopeful about meeting the white supremacist of their dreams.
People range from being successful C-suite (which is terrifying in its own way) to lonely misfits. There are college students, people with hobbies like woodworking and hiking. These are perfectly ordinary people.
There's no psychiatric condition to explain white supremacy. There's no inherent essence to a neo-Nazi. These are just people in your office, your dorm hall, your neighborhood.
When Hannah Arendt coined the term "the banality of evil", she meant that evil is not an aberrant thing but the result of average people inspired by unexceptional motivations, such as professional advancement.
These pro-white alt-right conservative neo-Nazis are definitely ideological but their fear, the fear of their people/culture dying is an ordinary human fear. What they get wrong is protecting a culture, a social construct, that shouldn't exist.
If you ask me what makes a neo-Nazi, I will tell you that they're just ordinary people. They live in fear of not having meaning, not having a culture to be proud of, not being important in a world that seems to pass them by.
There is absolutely nothing special to evil. It's even chilling to recognize that neo-Nazis also struggle with the human condition like everyone else.
But their choices and beliefs set them apart.
If you're lonely, you don't harass people for dates. If you're struggling with the existential question of your place in a changing world, you don't promote white nationalism.
Finally, just because evil is human doesn't mean that you have to extend sympathy or kindness.
They have made their choices. Let them live with the consequences of them.
- Yes, straights only.
- Lots of Christians AND pagans.
- Only European whites.
- Some intersection with heavy metal.
- There are a few in northern New England because it's so white it's perfect for developing a white ethnostate.
- There are also white South Africans on the site.
- Since there are people who aren’t EXACTLY neo-Nazi, it would be more accurate to call the site white supremacist.
I won't go to pagan meet-ups in my area because there are always some fucking Nazi Asatru. Grr. Argh.
@diabola thank you for his thread.
@diabola this thread is *amazing* and I would love it if there was a public FB version I could boost/share.
@diabola thanks a million times for this thread.
@diabola fantastic thread, thank you so much
@diabola this was a good fuckin thread!! thank you!!
@diabola thank you for writing this thread, I read it with a great interest.
Pinpointing that they are very normal people is clever and something that is too rarely explicitely said. Most of the time, they are referred as mentally ill people, which causes lateral damage on neuroatypical people by increasing the psychophobia in the rest of the population.
@soza Psychophobia is a great word! I usually use saneism but it’s nice to expand vocabulary!
@diabola oh, it's maybe more common in french, never heard of saneism x)
I would prefer psychophobia however, since 'saneism' gives the idea that 'sane' people are the neurotypical ones, while a lot of neuro*a*typical people are perfectly sane medically speaking, their main problems doesn't come from the way their brain behave but from the discrimination they face daily in the society.
politics i guess
@diabola I kinda agree with this when it comes to personal interactions, but one should not ignore the systemic problems that push people to extremism. Eg. I liked how in  Yang talks about how truckers fear being forced out of their jobs and how there is a correlation between one's affinity for extremism and one's financial status.
If we can solve those systemic problems we can prevent a lot of violence.
politics i guess
(or at least I hope so. it's at the very least worth trying, since most of these problems affect everyone.)
politics i guess
@grainloom Cool! I’ll check out the video when I’m not at work. However, my instinct is to look at how different demographics respond to hardship. For example, are the truckers mostly white men? Also, there is already a correlation between misogyny and violence. I think that the relationship between hardship and violence is more complicated than it looks.
politics i guess
@diabola Yea, it's not like white supremacists shouldn't put in the work into not being white supremacists.
@diabola thanks for tying it all together so nicely 🤗
I hope people realise the outcome of the choices they make and begin to find better ways of battling their loneliness.
@diabola This thread is perfect. For the past few years I've been reading a bunch of articles and such from ex-members of the white nationalist sphere and people who have infiltrated it for research or tried to rescue their relatives from it. I'm interested partly because I've seen my dad and some of his siblings start to propagate this easily falsifiable "conservative" factoid/meme/screed material riddled with dogwhistles whenever they see it on Facebook and partly because I was young, unemployed, white, and presumed male not so long ago and I want to know how these assholes recruit so many people from that demographic.
@diabola I think knowing that we're dealing with mostly ordinary people who have ordinary problems like unemployment or social isolation and have been offered this false promise of transcending that and becoming part of something important (defending a "white heritage") doesn't change the ethics of confronting ethnonationalism but should probably inform tactics in the long run: how do we reach people *before* they go down that road, for everyone's sake
@diabola except half of them are incels, so at least those ones won't have any children.
@lyliawisteria hey, actually, @diabola is correct - the fascists on “white for white” dating sites aren’t even half incels. These are the ppl who vote for AfD, who run farmers market stands (see Bloomington Indiana), who *are* comfortable bourgeois fuckheads who want to have lots of kids
Dismissing “half of them bc incels” kind of ignores how banal this stuff is and where they’ve already infiltrated. The FamilyTM is huge to ethnonationalist projects.
@lyliawisteria I’m not so sure. At least I didn’t find any that self-identified as such! Also, the point is that evil people are rather ordinary and we can’t just make fun of them for being social outcasts because they are in all social strata.
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